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	<title>Comments for North Texas Vehicular Cyclist</title>
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		<title>Comment on Practicability by Practical Elegance and the Principles of Traffic &#124; Florida Bicycle Law</title>
		<link>http://velociped.kempiweb.net/ntvc/2009/07/practicability/comment-page-1/#comment-63</link>
		<dc:creator>Practical Elegance and the Principles of Traffic &#124; Florida Bicycle Law</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 01:42:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I have on traffic dynamics and impedance must be credited to Mighk Wilson,  Keri Caffrey and Herman May who have done most of the heavy lifting for [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on Impediment by Practical Elegance and the Principles of Traffic &#124; Florida Bicycle Law</title>
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		<dc:creator>Practical Elegance and the Principles of Traffic &#124; Florida Bicycle Law</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 01:40:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I have on traffic dynamics and impedance must be credited to Mighk Wilson,  Keri Caffrey and Herman May who have done most of the heavy lifting for [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on Safe Passing by Vulnerable Legislation @ Arizona Bike Law Blog</title>
		<link>http://velociped.kempiweb.net/ntvc/2009/06/safe-passing/comment-page-1/#comment-61</link>
		<dc:creator>Vulnerable Legislation @ Arizona Bike Law Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 05:26:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] that the proposal was changed as necessary to gain widespread support is a nice way to put it. NTVC (North Texas Vehicular Cyclist) puts it more bluntly &#8220;Bills introduced this session sought to [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] that the proposal was changed as necessary to gain widespread support is a nice way to put it. NTVC (North Texas Vehicular Cyclist) puts it more bluntly &#8220;Bills introduced this session sought to [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on SWSS by Who is at fault in cycling collisions? And who decides? &#171; BikingInLA</title>
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		<dc:creator>Who is at fault in cycling collisions? And who decides? &#171; BikingInLA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 17:52:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] fact, many cyclists refer to that type of collision as an SWSS — Single Witness Suicide Swerve — because the frequency of such collisions would suggest that there must be a lot of death-wish [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on BPAC Meeting, 200908 by pmsummer</title>
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		<dc:creator>pmsummer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 13:14:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you.</p>
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		<title>Comment on &#8220;One Foot in Each Camp&#8221; by pmsummer</title>
		<link>http://velociped.kempiweb.net/ntvc/2009/08/one-foot-in-each-camp/comment-page-1/#comment-56</link>
		<dc:creator>pmsummer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 10:54:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well put. I would add that the national experience has been that the more that segregated bicycle facilities are deployed, the more other vehicles users expect cyclists to stay in them, and the less bicycles are recognized as legitimate vehicles... even by cyclists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well put. I would add that the national experience has been that the more that segregated bicycle facilities are deployed, the more other vehicles users expect cyclists to stay in them, and the less bicycles are recognized as legitimate vehicles&#8230; even by cyclists.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Impediment by ChipSeal</title>
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		<dc:creator>ChipSeal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 13:17:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yet another great post! I am glad you have tackled these terms, it is clear that you have thought them through- because your explanations are so clear!

You stated; &quot; If the operator of a bicycle is making effort, to the best of their ability, to travel at a reasonable speed, there is no impediment.&quot;

I have no argument with this statement, rather, I wish to add to it.

This does not mean that the cyclist has to be in top shape to operate on the roadway, and that he must be expending maximum effort. Nor that he be lollygagging along with a resting heart rate, either. What is a reasonable pace for one cyclist will not be a reasonable pace for another. A pace that this person can sustain for the length of his trip- not measured in MPH, but in &quot;effort expended over time&quot;.

If a cyclist is confronted with a headwind or steep terrain, he will naturally travel at slower speed than if he were going the opposite way.
 
Here is the whole of it: For a long while, I thought that I must ride at a brisk pace to take the lane- faster then I was then capable of. I was mistaken in this belief. Don&#039;t fall into that way of thinking yourself.

Tailwinds to all!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yet another great post! I am glad you have tackled these terms, it is clear that you have thought them through- because your explanations are so clear!</p>
<p>You stated; &#8221; If the operator of a bicycle is making effort, to the best of their ability, to travel at a reasonable speed, there is no impediment.&#8221;</p>
<p>I have no argument with this statement, rather, I wish to add to it.</p>
<p>This does not mean that the cyclist has to be in top shape to operate on the roadway, and that he must be expending maximum effort. Nor that he be lollygagging along with a resting heart rate, either. What is a reasonable pace for one cyclist will not be a reasonable pace for another. A pace that this person can sustain for the length of his trip- not measured in MPH, but in &#8220;effort expended over time&#8221;.</p>
<p>If a cyclist is confronted with a headwind or steep terrain, he will naturally travel at slower speed than if he were going the opposite way.</p>
<p>Here is the whole of it: For a long while, I thought that I must ride at a brisk pace to take the lane- faster then I was then capable of. I was mistaken in this belief. Don&#8217;t fall into that way of thinking yourself.</p>
<p>Tailwinds to all!</p>
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		<title>Comment on FTR by Herman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Herman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 15:34:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are correct, Reed. It has always been my understanding that an impediment to &quot;the normal and reasonable movement of traffic&quot; was grounds for citation and that those causing such slowdowns were responsible for accommodating any overtaking vehicles. Prompted by your criticism, a review of the relevant statutes does not endorse that belief.

Despite it being cited often by both motorists and cyclists, there is no such impediment rule. &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.statutes.legis.state.tx.us/Docs/TN/htm/TN.545.htm#545.363&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;§545.363&lt;/a&gt; (concerning minimum speed regulations) states simply that &quot;[a]n operator may not drive so slowly as to impede the normal and reasonable movement of traffic, except when reduced speed is necessary for safe operation or in compliance with law.&quot; Given the physical limitations of a bicycle and its operator, it is not safe or reasonable to expect a cyclist to match, much less maintain, the prevailing speed possible by a motor vehicle. This section goes on to state, &quot;[i]f appropriate signs are erected giving notice of a minimum speed limit adopted under this section, an operator may not drive a vehicle more slowly than that limit except as necessary for safe operation or in compliance with law.&quot; Again, an exception is implied if the vehicle in question is unable — due to safety or physical limitation — to meet the posted minimum speed.

The statute concerning operation of a bicycle in a vehicular manner (&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.statutes.legis.state.tx.us/Docs/TN/htm/TN.551.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;§551&lt;/a&gt;) makes no mention whatsoever about impediment issues, except with respect to &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.statutes.legis.state.tx.us/Docs/TN/htm/TN.551.htm#551.103&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;riding two abreast&lt;/a&gt;.

Thank you for the refresher. I have revised the applicable passage in the penultimate paragraph accordingly. Hopefully, it will meet with your approval and will more accurately reflect the law and reality.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are correct, Reed. It has always been my understanding that an impediment to &#8220;the normal and reasonable movement of traffic&#8221; was grounds for citation and that those causing such slowdowns were responsible for accommodating any overtaking vehicles. Prompted by your criticism, a review of the relevant statutes does not endorse that belief.</p>
<p>Despite it being cited often by both motorists and cyclists, there is no such impediment rule. <a href="http://www.statutes.legis.state.tx.us/Docs/TN/htm/TN.545.htm#545.363" rel="nofollow">§545.363</a> (concerning minimum speed regulations) states simply that &#8220;[a]n operator may not drive so slowly as to impede the normal and reasonable movement of traffic, except when reduced speed is necessary for safe operation or in compliance with law.&#8221; Given the physical limitations of a bicycle and its operator, it is not safe or reasonable to expect a cyclist to match, much less maintain, the prevailing speed possible by a motor vehicle. This section goes on to state, &#8220;[i]f appropriate signs are erected giving notice of a minimum speed limit adopted under this section, an operator may not drive a vehicle more slowly than that limit except as necessary for safe operation or in compliance with law.&#8221; Again, an exception is implied if the vehicle in question is unable — due to safety or physical limitation — to meet the posted minimum speed.</p>
<p>The statute concerning operation of a bicycle in a vehicular manner (<a href="http://www.statutes.legis.state.tx.us/Docs/TN/htm/TN.551.htm" rel="nofollow">§551</a>) makes no mention whatsoever about impediment issues, except with respect to <a href="http://www.statutes.legis.state.tx.us/Docs/TN/htm/TN.551.htm#551.103" rel="nofollow">riding two abreast</a>.</p>
<p>Thank you for the refresher. I have revised the applicable passage in the penultimate paragraph accordingly. Hopefully, it will meet with your approval and will more accurately reflect the law and reality.</p>
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		<title>Comment on FTR by ChipSeal</title>
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		<dc:creator>ChipSeal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 14:41:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t understand why you said this: &quot;This sub-section of the code specifically entitles a vehicular cyclist to claim full possession of the lane so long as doing so does not impede the reasonable flow of traffic.&quot;

If the a lane is less than fourteen feet wide, there is no &quot;unless&quot; or &quot;so long as&quot; clause. It is the cyclist&#039;s discretion alone to travel in the lateral position he so chooses without any other statutory considerations. (Other than a bike lane.)

Consider: &quot;A person operating a bicycle on a roadway who is moving slower than the other traffic on the roadway shall ride as near as practicable to the right curb or edge of the roadway, unless: the person is operating a bicycle in an outside lane that is: less than 14 feet in width and does not have a designated bicycle lane adjacent to that lane, OR is too narrow for a bicycle and a motor vehicle to safely travel side by side.&quot;

If such conditions are met, the cyclist defines what is the &quot;reasonable flow of traffic&quot; until the lane changes to a non-exceptional condition. That is, the lane widens enough to become safe for a motorist and a bicycle to operate side-by-side, or the lane widens to more than fourteen feet. Only then is the cyclist obligated to move aside for overtaking traffic.

Your conditional language does not come from the statute. (&quot;... so long as doing so does not impede the reasonable flow of traffic.&quot;) It is, perhaps, a common imaginary law? :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t understand why you said this: &#8220;This sub-section of the code specifically entitles a vehicular cyclist to claim full possession of the lane so long as doing so does not impede the reasonable flow of traffic.&#8221;</p>
<p>If the a lane is less than fourteen feet wide, there is no &#8220;unless&#8221; or &#8220;so long as&#8221; clause. It is the cyclist&#8217;s discretion alone to travel in the lateral position he so chooses without any other statutory considerations. (Other than a bike lane.)</p>
<p>Consider: &#8220;A person operating a bicycle on a roadway who is moving slower than the other traffic on the roadway shall ride as near as practicable to the right curb or edge of the roadway, unless: the person is operating a bicycle in an outside lane that is: less than 14 feet in width and does not have a designated bicycle lane adjacent to that lane, OR is too narrow for a bicycle and a motor vehicle to safely travel side by side.&#8221;</p>
<p>If such conditions are met, the cyclist defines what is the &#8220;reasonable flow of traffic&#8221; until the lane changes to a non-exceptional condition. That is, the lane widens enough to become safe for a motorist and a bicycle to operate side-by-side, or the lane widens to more than fourteen feet. Only then is the cyclist obligated to move aside for overtaking traffic.</p>
<p>Your conditional language does not come from the statute. (&#8220;&#8230; so long as doing so does not impede the reasonable flow of traffic.&#8221;) It is, perhaps, a common imaginary law? <img src='http://velociped.kempiweb.net/ntvc/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>Comment on &#8220;as close as he could get&#8221; by ChipSeal</title>
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		<dc:creator>ChipSeal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jul 2009 20:02:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;...he is, perhaps, partially responsible for the mishap&quot;

In my opinion, Mr. Feazell is completely at fault for striking another vehicle in his path. Mr. Clurman could have operated in a manner that may have avoided the collision. but it was entirely the responsibility of the motorist to avoid him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;he is, perhaps, partially responsible for the mishap&#8221;</p>
<p>In my opinion, Mr. Feazell is completely at fault for striking another vehicle in his path. Mr. Clurman could have operated in a manner that may have avoided the collision. but it was entirely the responsibility of the motorist to avoid him.</p>
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